Tuesday, 23 December 2008

Blog Wars! The SWP split on Socialist Unity

I've been checking Socialist Unity a lot lately: at first, it was the SWP's (and Respect's) lies over the anti fascist demonstration in Liverpool... but then something altogether juicier came along.

The possibility of a split in the Socialist Workers Party. Now that's something you don't see everyday.

First, there was Neil Davidson, with a charming submission to the pre-conference bulletin calling for more democracy in the SWP. So far, so good. Sadly, however, the opening of the report is a tad sycophantic; take the following problems Davidson lists with France: "a fascist leader with enough support to stand as a Presidential candidate, anti-war demonstrations in which Muslims and the Left march separately, and a set of legal restrictions on Muslims extending to prohibitions on wearing the hijab by female school students." None of these would exist, Davidson believes, if only France had an organisation more like the SWP. Errrr, right. But beyond the self-congratulation, however, the whole thing is pretty damn accurate. Davidson wants the SWP to face some inconvenient facts: it's not growing. It's shrinking. The party, which many people join, has an inability to retain members. And such delusions as claiming a further "2000 unregistered members" do not really help:

"A blood transfusion may keep a patient alive [Davidson writes] but if they are simultaneously haemorrhaging the procedure simply postpones death rather than restores health. Each wave of recruits has left embedded new layers of comrades, but many more have passed through our ranks. Had we had retained even half of the socialists who did so over the last thirty years we would now have an organisation several tens of thousands strong..."

Second to enter the arena was John Rees, recently nominated Enemy Number One by a large section of the SWP CC. Rees chastised the rest of the CC for not keeping to Cliff's method- exaggerating to overcome the natural "inertia" of ordinary party members. I wouldn't want to speculate on how many people have actually trawled through Rees' 8000+ words of self-important tripe, but like all of the recent SWP leaks, it's worth checking out for the comments. For some reason, SWP members don't seem to like anything that permits unsupervised communication between the party members and the rest of us wreckers, saboteurs and plebs.

Next up was John Molyneux. He rebukes the CC's "united front against dissidents" strategy, which has kept CC disputes faraway from the eyes and ears of SWP members, but ensured that SWP members who dare to speak out are not encouraged to do so again. Rather more observant than other senior SWPers, Molyneux observes the disparity between the decline in the party that the membership has been seeing for a long period of time (whether they admit it or not) and what the leadership has been claiming. For my part, I am reminded of SWP student organiser Andy Cunningham's own claims that Manchester's student population was experiencing "high levels of Bolshevisation"... That was a couple of months before the entire Student Respect branch was smashed. It is also reminiscent of former Swappie Mark Steel's forlorn observations before he left the party; that constantly being told there are 10,000 committed party members when there clearly bloody isn't, is "patently absurd".

And then along came Chris Harman- his response to Davidson is thankfully shorter than that of Rees. Self-important, yes, but mercifully rather brief (by pontificating old man standards): "If we do not deal with the causes of the feeling of malaise in the party, we will be unable to rise to the challenge of the new phase of capitalist crisis that opened up since the collapse of Lehman Brothers in mid September. And we cannot come to terms with the problems without widespread discussion".

Far more interesting than Harman's actual article, however, is the shock of some "Socialists" at Harman's newfound distaste for the Muslim Brotherhood and friends. As organisations go, they're a teensy bit nasty, you see.

Next to enter the faction fight par excellence was everyone's favourite leftist toff, Alex Callinicos, who really lays into John Rees. Take the following example of bitchiness (and remember: it sounds even better if you read it aloud in your best English Aristocrat accent): "John makes the mystifying statement that ‘There is no theoretical agreement on the CC about the likely depth and length of the recession.’ What’s puzzling about this is that John has said or written nothing of any substance about the crisis since the financial markets froze in the summer of 2007. Of course, in fairness, he has had other preoccupations, but it’s still news that he has any distinctive theoretical position". Saucer of milk, Alex?

But once again, the comments are even better than the actual document posted. 'Ray', an SWP luvvie supremo, actually says - with no trace of irony, I might add - that "the rest of the left, apart from the SWP, is in such a good state that it’s having to form united fronts of reformists and revolutionaries just to kick start some sort of redevelopment". United fronts of reformists and revolutionaries. We can only thank God the SWP wouldn't sink so low.

And then, last but determinedly not least, appeared Lindsey German's own take on the whole matter. Obviously, since the nomination of John Rees to the position of Scapegoat in Chief, German is quite literally sleeping with the enemy. So she's got a lot of defending to do. Oh, and in the process of it, she's gone a bit racist: "...if I had been elected to the London Assembly in 2004 (as I very nearly was) then the balance of forces in Respect would have been very different. If white socialists had been elected in 2006 in Newham and Tower Hamlets (as they very nearly were) then the balance of forces and level of politics in those areas would have been raised. If Gordon Brown had not flirted with calling an election in autumn 2007 then maybe Galloway would not have attacked so rapidly..." Has German confused the Socialist Workers Party with the Socialist Whites Party? Who knows.

So that's the lot. The Weekly Worker, in typically understated form, went for the "Mother Of All Splits" as its headline. Is it going to be the mother of all splits? Nah. It's more like a small flock of seagulls squabbling over the remains of a bag of chips.

24 comments:

Ste said...

I *love* it. Very well written comrade xD

tom said...

yawn

Quazer said...

yawn? Come on Tom surely you have more to say than that?

What a load of sectarian shit Vicky.

The SWP is the only thing happening in this country, with or without John Rees.

Vicky said...

Which country is that exactly? Wonderland?

Anonymous said...

"It's more like a small flock of seagulls squabbling over the remains of a bag of chips."

It's perhaps easy to laugh until you realise we have 100 times more members than you, and 100000 times more influence.

Anyway this is our business, if you want to make it your business, why don't you join the SWP and fight for more party democracy comrade ;)

Ste said...

To join the SWP is to legitimise the revolving door straregy that Rees now appears ready to accept as elitest - where subservience to the CC is unquestionable and recruitment is based on figures and targets and not political leanings of said members.

You know Quazer you make me laugh, why have you nothing constructive to say yourself. This post is largely commentary, simply pointing out events that have occured i mean is it really sectarian to publicise a move for accountability and democracy within what your comrade above notes is the largest orginisation on the left?

We take no enjoyment watching SWP comrades leave in drones and would enjoy still less a split in the SWP that witnessed the emergence of another political party on the left that fails to grasp the need for anti-capitalist unity on principled politics. But comrade if you think that left-wing activity in this country is something to brag about you're dillusional, if you think that what significant industrial and community action does occur is SWP lead you're just stupid.

As for that latest post lol, we readily acceptthe SWP have the members, its not surprising when their policies can accomodate virtuality anyone, leftist or not. When you water dowqn gay rights and abortion rights to accomodate islamists (or anyone else) then something is wrong with that orginisation, when political convictions are abandoned in the name of ventures such as RESPECT or to form convenient alliances within StWC then rightly you're going to come under fire for abandoning working class politics - that means uncompromising anti-imperialism, principled opposition to homophobia, racism and sexism and all else that divides us. Not weakening these stances to accomodate anyone to to collude and cuddle up with manifestations of reaction such as te Iranian ruling class.

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Chris S said...

Anon, a 100 times bigger aye? Why are estimates from your leading members in the IB's putting your membership around 600. That is not massive is it? Comrades all over the country have saw the decline in influence of the SWP over the last two years.

It is not just your business, it is the business of the working class movement. A programme (or lack of in your case) for working class power is extremely important, so the perspectives that the SWP acquire over the next period will affect all our movement. Hopefully in a more positive way.

I wonder why you think that discussion and debate must be done behind closed doors? The Bolsheviks never, and they lived under a cruel Tsarist autocracy. What are the SWP so scared of?

Why don't you post with your name? What you scared of?

Anonymous said...

"Why are estimates from your leading members in the IB's putting your membership around 600."

Nowhere has that been stated.

The SWP will make the fundamentals of the debate clear in the ISJ, the review and the paper, for anyone who wants to find out more about the debate, it does concern them, of course it does, because a lot of people are waiting to see what we decide. SWP members are not closed off to debating these issues with other people in the working class or labour or anti-war movements, why not, it's not a problem?

What is a problem is how certain far left groups, their membership numbering less than the total of the SWP make it their prejogative to highlight the political tendencies of other far left groups. Recently for example, your paper carried front pages on the SWP and the AWL, while an economic crisis is developing which has horrendous effects on working class people's lives. Instead of masturbating over the differences between you and other groups, why don't you spend the time explaining the reasons why capitalism has now bailed out the ruling class and attacking the workers, you may find yourself winning more people to socialism if you try, you idiots.

Chris S said...

Wow you’re such a brave SWP’er posting insults anonymously. If you are wondering where the assertion of your membership being largely passive and around 600 comrades you can look to your CC comrade Lindsay German:

“Perhaps the major problem facing the party, over and above any specific strengths and weaknesses in any area of work, is that the level of passivity remains extremely high. Of around 6,000 registered members, probably the majority are totally or near totally passive. Perhaps a tenth of this figure attended pre-conference aggregates, despite controversies which usually help raise attendance.

Branch meetings remain in most instances small, and they clearly do not, despite the hard work of a small number of activists, meet the needs of many comrades in the party.”

Will this debate be played out in ISJ, SR or ISJ? Come on you do make me laugh! No, you are living in a dream world, if you think it will be. I have had a look on the internet and my back copies and nowhere can I see a rigorous and open approach to party perspectives, discussions or polemics. The SWP are not generally known for debating programme ( or lack of) with the rest of the movement, hence the sporadic thuggery and banning of political opponents from public events etc.

Oh dear, who would of thought that groups of Marxists could criticise groups of Marxists. How dare we engage in such activity. Marx, Engels, Lenin, Trotsky etc must have all been terrible sectarians, if only the SWP was around to teach them the error of their ways.

The ‘Weekly Worker’ has covered the economic crisis, not only through simple what it going on, but through debates with other sections of the left etc. I don’t think I see much debate on the economic crisis in the organs of the SWP. It is not about “he said - she said” when we look at aspects of other organisations, it is about bringing clarity to the workers’ movement and driving towards principled unity and a solid Marxist programme. Did you not realise what Iskra was used for?

What are the SWP going to the working class with? If you can understand the economic crisis, then where are your solutions? Or in the words of Lenin “What is your programme, that is the decisive question”

Again, why not post your name? It is easy to post crap, when no one knows who you are.

Anonymous said...

Dear me, so you're taking membership of the SWP to be someone that is not active, whatever that means, i was not active for a number of years, and someone who turns up to a party aggregate, which also means i'm not a member, as i didn't turn up to mine. Then you're quoting one member of the CC as if that's the truth, as you know full well it's contested.

No I won't give you my name for fuck's sake why are you so interested to know, does it help you in any way at all? you don't know me, i don't know you and we will almost certainly never meet in real life

Ste said...

Nah man it's not to important you don't give your name. Just shows the insecurity in your politics dosn't it =/

Chris S said...

Anon, it is not me who counts membership by people who are inactive or left the party in the last two years. That is a way to fiddle the numbers, to imbue the membership with a false sense of size and penetration in the working class. Every CC contribution has talked or skirted around a diminished membership and a passive majority of members.

I like to know who I am arguing with. I am glad you answered all of my points raised in this discussion. So I will repeat in a slimmer version.

1. Why no programme? What are you going to the working class with? Beyond a vague idea of socialism.

2. Why is there no open debate in the SWP press, and why do you see polemics and criticism as a negative thing?

Infantile and Disorderly said...

It seems fairly ridiculous to criticise small groups for being small. Mine has only been going for two years: the SWP has a bit of a head start. Was Tony Cliff the victim of "look at your own group, you're so small"-type comments when he formed the Socialist Review Group with a grand total of 8 members? Probably. Perhaps he should have given up then and there?

Being small when you're a young group (or even a middle aged group) isn't such a big deal. What counts is being stable. In times when the SWP are visibly losing hundreds of members each year, plenty of smaller organisations are remaining perfectly stable. While the SWP remains on a permanent downwards trajectory, the question of open debate between the remnants of that organisation and the rest of the left becomes ever more pertinent.

600 active members puts the SWP, in practical terms, at about the same size as the Socialist Party. Why not acknowledge that? A non-active member doesn't contribute anything to the life of the organisation.

The last Pre-Conference Bulletin that I received while part of the SWP, informed the membership that there is such a thing as unregistered/lapsed members. Included as party members, were those who had ceased to be a member within a two year period- the alleged reasoning for this? Not wanting to give up on people too quickly. I'm probably still counted in the SWP membership figures!

The idea that the SWP will make the fundamentals of the debate clear in the ISJ, Review and SW is laughable: there's not even a chance that will happen. I'm sure all the other ex-SWP members who read this will be able to agree on one thing- you know a hell of a lot more about the internal workings of the party once you leave.

Dave said...

"600 active members puts the SWP, in practical terms, at about the same size as the Socialist Party. Why not acknowledge that?"

The trouble with this is that it is patently untrue to anyone with an understanding of activity within the SWP. I know from branches I'm involved in that 'activity' is roughly the same as it was say, in 2005. To be honest, the measures brought in by Smith since 2005 to shore up the party have worked a lot, though it's certainly not far enough.

The problem is that you've fallen for what one member of the CC, who has relatively smaller experience of building the party over the last eight years than others, believes to be the current level of activity in the party. I have met very few SWP members who believe that estimate to be true, or indeed agrees with their perspectives and you can also see from others like Molyneux and Davidson that they don't pose the debate in those terms either.

I can see how it is attractive to believe German, as it is her who is most pessimistic.

Anyway Vicky, my original comment was in referral to the idea that this is a small flock of seagulls squabbling over a bag of chips. It's such an embarrassingly vague and petty remark I feel sorry for you, the test of any revolutionary party is based on how it analyses the current period and makes a realistic intervention that brings people closer to revolutionary ideas. It doesn't matter if your group is 10,000, 5,000 or 50 members strong, it is the same principle, so tell me, what's PR doing? Analysing the current period? like you told me last time? What's the Weakly Worker doing eh Chris? Running more exposes of the SWP? Getting into overly masculine bickerings with the AWL?

Anonymous said...

"Why no programme? What are you going to the working class with?"

Can I answer that question with questions? What do you mean? How does a programme help you? What will the programme explain? What is in your programme? And why? Do you need a programme to explain Leninist or Marxist ideas?

"Why is there no open debate in the SWP press, and why do you see polemics and criticism as a negative thing?"

I guess there is a negative connotation with it as factionalisation nearly ripped the party apart in the mid 1970s and the downturn meant that the party had to shield itself to some extent from a society that had moved significantly to the right and was largely hostile. Compare the lack of an anti-war movement during the Falklands war with the anti-war movement now. Davidson goes into how this has negatively effected the development of the party and I agree with him to some extent, hopefully the conference will make some significant changes.

It was stated in a CC document that both 'groups' will be allowed to publish different perspectives in the publications. I don't think debate is a negative thing, I'm debating with you right now aren't I? Whether or not it's worth debating with members of the WW is another matter :)

Lin Bao said...

"Can I answer that question with questions? What do you mean? How does a programme help you? What will the programme explain? What is in your programme? And why? Do you need a programme to explain Leninist or Marxist ideas?"

Cunning. Not a single answer but seven questions in return. This Anon is a debating genius... He should be a politician.

Chris S said...

Dave, I hope that this factional fight does not get you down. The once beloved German is now scorned upon, the women that helped lead the charge over the last decade is now put aside like a worn out pair of trainers. It is brilliant to see you commenting that she is the most pessimistic CC member when she has been singing the same tune as all of the CC over the last period, that the big time was coming.

Now I have been around a few years, and I would be interested to know which branches you have been involved in. From my time around I have saw the SWP being the hegemonic faction on the left, to now a shadow of its former self in membership and penetration.

All CC contributions have discussed or skirted around the apathetic and diminished membership. I think German should be taken seriously, not because it gives us better ammo to shoot you down with, but she has been at the helm of the ‘united front’ turn since Seattle, so I think she knows what is going on within the organisation, better than you I expect.

The test of a revolutionary party is not just how it analyses the current period, and how it makes an intervention. The test of a revolutionary party is it’s ability to understand the period and lay out a clear line of march for the working class whilst responding to emerging struggles as the come along, the test of a revolutionary party is a test of that party’s revolutionary programme. You haven’t got one, so you flip flop all over the place, getting over excited at every movement in the class instead of moving forward with a clear plan and a solid programme of work. My quote earlier in this discussion is preceded by Lenin declaring that immediate perspectives are not as important as a programme. I will clarify this more in my response to anon.

PR has maintained from where I can see a reasonable presence in the unions and struggles for an organisation of it’s size, it has acted with principled defiance in defence of Adrian Swain. Can the SWP say the same thing? The SWP has greater penetration in the unions (probably) only equalled by SPEW these days. Yet what has the SWP done in the unions when it has come to the crunch? Jane Loftus (SWP NC member AFAIK) who sits on the CWU executive did not back the strikers but went silently behind the leadership to betrayal. In the PCS (until recently) the SWP has sabotaged attempts to broaden the fight, courting Serwotka in a vain hope the charlatan would back Respect. What have the CPGB’s limited number of comrades done in that union? Helped to establish the independent Left, in fact our comrade Lee Rock was (or still is) the chair of that formation as far as I am aware. Our supporters managed to win the majority of the PCS conference to HOPI, smashing the SWP speakers during the debate.

Now the Weekly Worker runs polemics and discussion pieces on the Left regularly, no problem in that considering the paper is also full of comment and theoretical articles on other issues. Now if like Lenin you wanted to set up a paper to expose and destroy revisionism and opportunism, it would be a political paper like Iskra. The Weekly Worker is in such a tradition, if you think our coverage of the Left is harsh or over the top then you should check what Iskra was like. Maybe a read of Lars T Lih’s book on ‘What is to be Done’ would be a great way to see why our paper is targeted in such a way. It would also be a great way to contrast Lenin with Cliff’s hatchet job of Lenin in ‘Building the Party’.

Anonymous, I will answer you point by point comrade.

“How does a programme help you?”

A programme is a map, it shows the party and the class how to get from where we are now, to where we need to get. It also keeps the revolutionary party on a clear path, gives a clear line to work in the class, which helps fight off opportunism or reformism. A programme is also a democratic tool in the hands of the membership, it can be used to hold a leadership to account. Imagine if the SWP had a programme which included the defence of LGBT people, would the CC have got away with allowing Respect to be soft on LGBT rights? Would the CC have got away with withdrawing from pro choice work?

“What will the programme explain? What is in your programme? And why? ”

The programme explains the current conditions in general terms, the state of the working class movement, the state of capitalism etc. It explains the steps and demands the working class must take and raise to come to power.

Below is the preamble from the CPGB’s Draft Programme, I would suggest having a read through it to see how we have laid out our programme, also a look at the Erfurt programme and Trotsky’s Action programme for France.

‘The first section outlines the main features of the epoch, the epoch of the transition from capitalism to communism. Then comes the nature of capitalism in Britain and the consequences of its development. Following on from here are the immediate economic and political measures which are required if the peoples of Britain are to live a full and decent life in the here and now. Such a minimum programme is, admittedly, technically feasible within the confines of present-day advanced capitalism. In actual fact though it can only be genuinely realised by way of insurrection.

From these radical foundations the character of the British revolution and the position of the various classes and strata can be presented. Next, again logically, comes the workers' government in Britain and the worldwide transition to communism. Here is the maximum programme of the communists. Finally the inescapable need for all partisans of the working class to unite in the Communist Party itself is dealt with. Our essential organisational principles are stated and show in no uncertain terms why the Communist Parry is the most powerful weapon available to the working class.’ (CPGB Draft Programme - Preamble)

Now there are things in the current Draft Programme which are out of date and wrong, we are currently updating it at the moment.

“Do you need a programme to explain Leninist or Marxist ideas?”

Yes. If you have no programme what are you winning the working class to? To your current turn or perspective and a vague idea about socialism. No explanation to the class on what you are aiming for or how to get there.

Anonymous said...

Seriously now, the SWP did not drop LGBT or pro-choice work, that is such a fucking incredible slander. SWP comrades are playing a leading role in Abortion Rights for example, and were key to defeating the right-wing in that organisation who wanted a less militant organisation.

I don't know about flip-flopping over the place, the class struggle changes with an incredible pace at some points, at times it won't go to plan, it won't fit with your programme, so instead of trying to adapt to the changing contours of class struggle, you end up adrift trying to relate your programme to the class, and finding it doesn't fit.

In relation to the last point, I put that in because Lenin was not a dogmatic individual, he was also quite ruthless at times, everything was structured behind finding the next key link in the chain, to bring the revolutionary movement forwards. Did the Bolsheviks anticipate a coup de etat from general Kornilov? Did they anticipate the February revolution? and so on... did they have the time to write this into their programme?

The point I'm trying to make is that Leninism and a Leninist party would have been very useful in periods such as Chile 1973, or May 68 in France, in such conditions the Leninists would not have been insisting the period followed the dots and commas of their programme, they would have been arguing for a revolution.

Ste said...

"I am not prepared to have it [Gay Rights] as a shibboleth."
- Lindsey German

Show me where lgbt rights were mentioned in any respect literature? It wasn't, infact I was at Respect conference 2004 when Galloway and German spoke against inclusion of LGBT in the manifesto because it was 'decisive'

What was Respects position on abortion? Haha you didn't have a forumlated position, because the whole charade was a Galloway love club and him being against abortion meant that the whole SWP bowed down and didn't fight for a womans basic right to control her fertility!

It's hard to be polite to you, you clearly know fuck all about your own orginisation =/

Anonymous said...

Respect had and still has policy supporting lgbt rights and pro-choice, no such exclusion of lgbt rights into the constitution took place and lindsey german was referring to some who criticised the SWP for working with Muslims in stop the war. Such 'criticism' was made by Islamophobes on the left who couldn't understand that Muslims could be pro-gay.

"and him being against abortion meant that the whole SWP bowed down and didn't fight for a womans basic right to control her fertility!"

So if we're so against women's and gay rights, I wonder why we have several women and lgbt comrades on the CC? Why we are so active in Abortion Rights? Why we publish anti-sexist literature such as the rebel's guide to women's liberation? Why we recently published a pamphlete on abortion rights? Why we have public meetings on these subjects up and down the country in towns, cities and universities? Why we expose any sexist or bigot? Why we defend the oppressed?

Ste said...

So i imagined Galloway and German asking respect conference to vote against inclusion of LGBT rights in the 2005 Respect Manifesto?

Lol poor kid, go do your research

Oh and well done on the abortion rights thing, tell me, why we you so quiet during respect?

Seems to be it's your party that's islamophobic and persumes all muslims are anti-gay and misogynistic. What other reason could you have for not getting involved with lgbt rights and abortion rights until after the Respect ship had sunk?

Chris S said...

The SWP did drop LGBT politics in Respect in a strange belief that it would win over the Muslim community. The SWP did tone down such work, it is easily provable by swift look at the Respect 2005 election manifesto and the Left List London Manifesto. (See here: http://www.respectcoalition.org/pdf/f325.pdf and here: http://www.respectcoalition.org/pdf/f782.pdf) If you was involved in politics during that period you would have noticed this. The German comment pales in comparison to the down right opportunist way Respect went out into the Muslim community. German’s comment was not a rebuttal from those attacking the involvement of Muslims in Respect, it was about LGBT rights being relegated to a footnote or left out altogether. A quick look at some articles would be good for you.

See here:
http://www.cpgb.org.uk/worker/602/respect%20LGBT.htm
http://www.permanentrevolution.net/entry/1779
http://www.fifthinternational.org/index.php?id=168,756,0,0,1,0
http://www.fifthinternational.org/index.php?id=259,1273,0,0,1,0
http://www.workerspower.com/index.php?id=46,310,0,0,1,0
http://www.bolshevik.org/

On Abortion, the SWP scoffed at the founding of Abortion Rights UK, I believe it was Candy Udwin who declared at the founding conference that it is not an issue. It comes to something when the Mandelites are to the Left of the SWP on putting forward abortion rights in Respect!

See:
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/86961
http://www.cpgb.org.uk/worker/568/abortion.htm

On Immigration:
http://cpgb.org.uk/worker/565/galloway.htm

There are plenty more links I could give you on these issues, but I am sure you can use Google.

‘I don't know about flip-flopping over the place, the class struggle changes with an incredible pace at some points, at times it won't go to plan, it won't fit with your programme, so instead of trying to adapt to the changing contours of class struggle, you end up adrift trying to relate your programme to the class, and finding it doesn't fit.’

You should know about flip-flopping if you have been in the SWP longer than six months. I take it you never looked at the different programmes I suggested earlier in the discussion. Go and look, you will see that a programme outlines general immediate aims and how to get from here to socialism. If you want to look at a party adrift, a mirror would be suffice.

‘In relation to the last point, I put that in because Lenin was not a dogmatic individual, he was also quite ruthless at times, everything was structured behind finding the next key link in the chain, to bring the revolutionary movement forwards. Did the Bolsheviks anticipate a coup de etat from general Kornilov? Did they anticipate the February revolution? and so on... did they have the time to write this into their programme?’

Lenin was not dogmatic but he was an Orthodox Marxist, I consider myself part of that tradition, however, it is important to cast a critical eye over Lenin and Leninism. The Bolsheviks probably did anticipate white reaction, who wouldn’t? The Bolsheviks did anticipate a revolution and in fact worked to win the International workers movement to turn the world war into a struggle for power. This was in part down to their programme, it was a Marxist programme that was flexible and general. They did not have to foresee every twist and turn in their programme, they did not have to talk about the current situation in great detail, as such a programme would become out of date very quickly as the old CPGB’s programme did in the second half of the twentieth century.

‘The point I'm trying to make is that Leninism and a Leninist party would have been very useful in periods such as Chile 1973, or May 68 in France, in such conditions the Leninists would not have been insisting the period followed the dots and commas of their programme, they would have been arguing for a revolution.’

Well first you should describe what a Leninist party actually is? I am for a Marxist party, but yes a Leninist/ Marxist party would have been very useful in such instances. Any Marxist programme would not foresee every twist and turn, it would be as I have written before be more general that foreseeing each clash or each strike. I would like to add that if the Marxists were following a Marxist programme in such a period then yes they would be arguing for revolution.

Now, if there was an SWP in such instances what would they be doing? Would they be opportunistically chasing the Left of the state, the Left of the Trade Union bureaucracy etc? Probably, because if you have no plan, no map on how the working class could seize power then you will end up left behind or dragged into coalition with reformists and alien forces.

Infantile and Disorderly said...

Well it's nice to see that even the Swappies with the most short term memory, can't contend with hard evidence. The fact that the SWP toned down its LGBT and Women's Liberation work to get a few far-right allies is something that most of us remember quite clearly. SWP members praising the Islamic Regime of Iran's policy of compulsory sex changes (conveniently curing homosexuality) at LGBT conference is something I remember quite vividly.

Btw, not really anything wrong with analysing the current period and how the left got here. It's the sort of thing you do in a new organisation emerging from a split. Blind inability to acknowledge where we've come from and the mistakes we've made along the way (SWP specialty act- simply choose a scapegoat instead) is merely damning our movement to another 5, 10 or 15 years of going nowhere.

Finally, I've been reading Socialist Worker, following the SWP blogs, checking out the preview for the next SR... And nothing on the party debate. So our accusations are pretty much vindicated by your party's own silence.